[Fsf-friends] Mail text missing(partial) in Archive [Fwd: Comrades’ new-found love with IT]

[justin joseph]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:00 PM, justin joseph
<justinjoseph007 at gmail.com> wrote:
> The mail archive for fsf-friends has partial text missing for my mail.
>
> Refer the link below(the original mail is forwarded with this mail):

I can see that the forwarded mail too got truncated in archive :-(

> http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006182.html
>
> The reply to which can be seen here:
> http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006185.html
>
> The reply-to-reply can be seen here:
> http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006187.html
>
> The mail in the _FIRST_ archive link has all text missing.  This is
> also evident by comparing the three archive links.
>
> I compose in plain text.  List admins, why has this happened?
>
> -justin
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: justin joseph <justinjoseph007 at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Comrades' new-found love with IT
> To: Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
> Cc: haynes davis <haynesdavis at gmail.com>, fsf-friends
> <fsf-friends at mm.gnu.org.in>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, haynes davis <haynesdavis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> right now non-cpim is a big vacuum regarding free software as far as
>>> political and government support is considered. Why our struggle does not
>>> seem to be productive in the other states and the central government?
>
>> And Left's adoption of Free Software Policy in Kerala is also a
>> logical follow up of various actions & discussions initiated by Free
>> Software Activists. Even the decision to adopt Free Software in
>> IT at School was decided in an SCERT meeting (with the support of 85% of
>> teachers) much before  2006 elections. But the govt came after
>> election got the political advantage of this decision. and we are very
>> happy about that because they are also helping FS movement by adopting
>> new policies .
>
> From http://blue-gnu.biz/content/fsf_india_039_s_impact_far_reaching
>
> Answering to question "Can you tell me some of the key events that
> have brought FSF India to the present?"
>
> Sasi Kumar _also_ said:
>
> "This was supported by other organisations also, especially the Kerala
> School Teachers' Association and the then Opposition Leader (current
> Chief Minister) Mr. V.S. Achuthanandan. As a consequence of these
> pressures, the textbook was changed in the second year to include Free
> Software also. Eventually, the government decided to use exclusively
> Free Software in schools. Thus Kerala became the first state in the
> country (and possibly in the world) to use exclusively Free Software
> in schools."
>
> Anivar, you are also talking binary.  "Left" on one side and "Free
> Software activists" on other side.
> Are you saying that the _Kerala School Teachers Association_ (your
> (teachers)are entirely composed of free software
> activists and that V.S Achuthanandan was also a "free software activist"
>
> Out of the four gains that Sasi kumar has mentioned in his answer, he
> gives credit to left parties directly in two.
>
> The other being:
>
> "The left parties, which are partners in the present coalition
> government, were sympatheric to our cause and expressed their views to
> the Minister. Eventually, the government decided to drop the
> provisions that were most harmful."
>
> Sympathies of the left parties does not come out of charity or
> emotion.  It comes out of
> ideological positions and understandings.  If there is no
> understanding of these then at least do
> not try and play a disruptive force in the left - free software
> alliance by suggesting that left and
> free software activism of kerala are _totally_ mutually exclusive and
> that the only interconnection
> between them is through "follow up", "political advantage", "help" etc..
>
>>
>> But when people are pushing Bush's binary logic of "Either you are
>> with us or You are against us" (only-cpim positions and branding
>> everything else as Anti-CPIM) we have to remind history.
>
> It is better for the free software ecosystems that you stop playing
> its official historian.
> Report is a different thing and _history_ is a totally different thing.
>
> http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005850.html
>
> Anyone can be with the left and still be a free software activist and
> their  contribution
> and the contributions of their likes, you have no right to appropriate
> as you wish and write histories
> as you wish.
>
>>
>> Anivar
>>
>>> Haynes.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free
>> Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs.
>> Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.
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