<div>Hi Senthil,</div>
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<div>Kudos to you for organizing the said event. </div>
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<div>regards</div>
<div>Jaykumar<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/1/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Senthil Sundaram (sensunda)</b> <<a href="mailto:sensunda@cisco.com">sensunda@cisco.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><span><font size="2">We had what is called a 'Nerd Lunch' session at Cisco. <span>A</span>bout 40-50 engineers were there and the session was recorded on video by cisco..also folks joined over the phone. <span> </span></font></span><span><font size="2">Jotted down some interesting aspects...abhas do add stuff about what u felt is interesting and upload the photos if u get a chance.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">Some of them wrote back wanting to start a interest group at Cisco . We will do this soon<span>..</span></font></span></div>
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<div><span></span><span></span><span><font size="2">Interesting aspects .. which came out in the discussion / What the regular software crowd thinks about us</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- Cisco is a very proprietary software company - however - is looking at a lot of free software for its small and medium routers - for inevitable reasons : both technical and cost </font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- There are lot of folks @ cisco who use a lot of free software - gdb - gcc - emacs - firefox - there are many initiatives to use gnu-linux desktops and so on - and folks have a lot of respect for free software - for its technical qualities - rather than the freedom foundation - which is something we were trying to discuss in the session...</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- Cisco is very <strong>careful about GPLv3</strong> and this was brought up multiple times in the disucssion by the hosts - on how develpers need to be very careful when trying to bring in - COOL GPLv3 FREE SOFTWARE </font></span></div>
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<div><font size="2"><span>- the aspect of RESPECTING users freedom gives one a lot of respect - however giving away code to build another persons business - is looked at as SACRIFICE . T</span><span>he interesting aspect is to have a live business example to show that this is COOL and works. </span></font></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">-Abhas said that 95% of folks download their software for free : Some body asked - <strong>ARE YOU DOING SOCIAL SERVICE</strong> or BUSINESS - abhas had to explain of how - this can be good business - how this can be good ethics - how this can be good technically and so on </font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- One more point which came up at Cisco as well as Chirst : Free software is a smart conspiracy to make money !! You make difficult software - Then you charge a lot for it like - REDHAT - so you guys speak about all freedom - but behind it - it is all MONEY !! </font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">Though one can understand this comes from a not very clear understanding - however people seem to suspect when BIG CAPITAL and FREE SOFTWARE work together - KNOWLEDGE CAN BE FREER THAN NOW with FREE SOFTWARE - <strong>BUT CAN IT BE REALLY FREE</strong> when working with BIG CAPITAL seems to be a question folks are asking...</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- <strong>GNU/LINUX Desktops</strong> : "GNU/Linux is still not good as Windows" - I thing this comes from user habbits - I see a lot of fresh software engineers - unable to change from this addiction </font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">- Free Software vs Open Source : was a question too</font></span></div>
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<p><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wednesday, July 30<sup>th</sup>, 2008 for Nerdlunch on "Free/Open Source Software"</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span></b><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speaker - Mr. Abhas Abhinav, Deeproot Linux</span></b></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Date - 30<sup>th</sup> July, 2008<span> , </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Time - 11:00 AM </span><font face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">–</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 12:30 PM</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Location - Bangalore Cisco Campus (Cessna Business Park)</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Abstract - </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The presentation will focus upon the following issues:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * What is Free / Open Source Software?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * What are the guiding values of the Free Software movement?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * Why is Freedom good for software?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * Who's using Free Software today: A case for users and developer's?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * The Indian Free / Open Source Software scenario</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> * Getting involved with the Free Software movement: as a user, developer, contributor, advocate, business</span></font></p></div></font></div></div>
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