<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Vikram Vincent <<a href="mailto:vincentvikram@swatantra.org">vincentvikram@swatantra.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Renuka,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/2 renuka prasad <<a href="mailto:renukaprasadb@gmail.com" target="_blank">renukaprasadb@gmail.com</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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OK FREEDOM FIGHTERS ----all are pumped up..<br><br>well let me tell my views on these <br><br></div>1) if we have to plan for the f oundation and fsf-karnataka is the intention ( free software foundation - karnataka ) first thing is where will the contributors contribute the funds --- this is my my first worry -- i will contribute 1000 Rs for that as a fund the day it sarts -- but where is the website where i can donate online --- i cant take DD and do other things ( assume )</blockquote>
<div><br>Any proposed FSF-Kn will be a registered Not-for-profit organisation and accounting will take place accordingly.<br>I'm sure that we can focus on that once the ground work is put in place.<br></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
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</blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>if the intention is a non profit one, accountablity -- well if the intention is contribution why dont we we contribute to fsf-india itself ... we get all benefit as we get for any donations in one way and also utilization of money ---- regarding all these -----do we really need a non profit organization ? i could not uderstand could you please tell more about your ideas and visions about this ... <br>
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<br>2)fsf-karnataka -- if the events happens independent of fsf-india then i feel we need to rethink on these </blockquote></div><div><br>When we say that activities indepedent of FSF-India we do not mean independent of principles or goals but rather activities taking local conditions and issues into consideration.<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>exactly true activities will happen keeping in mind about the local conditions and issues --- we are part of fsf india there should not be any thouht independent of fsf india --- i think there are more experienced and knowledgeable people in fsf india who can take up this issue and see how they can help us in understanding these things --atleast for me , as i am not as knowledgeable than those who are for sure i know reading these mails... it is always better to go in line with fsf india -- i feel whether parallel or simultaneous activities all have the same intentions --- i am only afraid that if we go on like this fsf-karnataka , then fsf-bangalore , then fsf-rvce , then fsf-bms then fsf-st josephs etc etc ---where will this list end up -- this is the only concern i had --- so i need to understand more abt fsf-karnataka need till few more years... since my and few of my friends are part of some non profit organization i felt like telling these things --- <br>
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<br>3) fsf-india itself has to become more stronger -- lets work towards that first</blockquote>
</div><div><br>This is a simultaneous process rather than a linear one.<br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>5 ) So good that we have a separate fsf ----- when it is a foundation then i thing there is need for lot of ground work to be done -- i feel another two more years are needed to make FSUG more in karnataka then we can form a fsf - karnataka</blockquote>
<div> </div></div><div>There are certain basic organisational requirements to be fulfilled first. For example, strong campus level self sustaining groups in at least a few institutions, a committed local team, an educational institution who will provide certain minimum resources and infrastructure, etc... I feel that we do not have to wait two years but the timeline will be decided by our activities. We hope that RVCE, BMSCE, St. Joseph's, Christ's and other communities will play a major role in this.<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><div>vikram let me share some of my experience about college level or institution level self sustaining groups --- i will take example of my own college --- we recently conducted a workshop about authoring scientific and technical documents using LaTeX which was done by Dr C.S. Yogananda and his team SJCE mysore --- see it was a need that makes people get used to the softwares or whatever for the sake of need .... well our trust sponsored for this 2 day workshop which costed 26000 Rs inclusing all material .. here what i want to tell is neither principal nor college management knew abt free softwares but now good news is that 60 of the faculties know abt free softwares <br>
<br>y i am telling this is one of the speaker was Prof Anand Murthy , HOD of Mechanical department of SJCE , Mysore is one of the package managers of Zenwalk --- in his college he has seen that his department labs are completely on GNU /Linux --- so the free software movement is not mainly from the institution it the freedom fighters who will take decision about this --- today i am in RVCE any time i will leave that college Then? in MYsore SJCE college all question papers are maintained using ODF standards --- so i think they are doing better than any other institutions ( to my knowledge -- correct if it is wrong ) infact they have implemented a quiz tool where it is required to evaluate 16000 papers every semester thrice using latex --- <br>
<br>So whether institutions give resource or not it the each individual freedom fighter who will make the change <br><br>THis also reminds a school teacher in kanakapura who sets question papers of all languages using LaTeX and spreading it to other schools ----- <br>
<br><br>I think we need to work more in creating awareness about using free softwares at school , college , institution , university levels solving the need of the teachers , student , and management , etc etc finally community .......<br>
<br> There are many people who are working a lot and contributing a lot --- so we need to take every one into confidence so this is not the right time to rush up -- lets keep on creating awareness time will only tell us what to do ---- <br>
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6) foundation means lot of contributions would pur in then who will manage all that and then there are many events have to be regualarly organized through out <br>
---- so first lets make the community aware of the free softwares through out state and then we shall decide and do very organized way <br>
<br>So if we think practically and morally we need to become much more stronger and create more and more awareness then we can think of fsf-karnataka <br><br>if fsf karnatak is very much necessary then i can talk to some of the people who can even contribute offcie space and other things necessary -- i cant do that until and unless some concreate work is not shown </blockquote>
</div><div><br>That will be cool. <br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br>Ya many more cool thing will happen -- let us have some patience --- ofcourse every one have the freedom to chooose <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>These are my views ----- so lets meet once ( FSUG -Bangalore or wherever you are ) and have more discussions <br>
<br></blockquote></div></div>Sure.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"></div></div></blockquote><div><br>i think it is the right time for all of us to meet once ....... <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>-- <br>Vikram Vincent<br>+919448810822<br><a href="http://swatantra.org/" target="_blank">http://swatantra.org/</a>
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