[Fsf-friends] Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code withIndia

satish jha satish jha" <sjha@vsnl.com
Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:03:27 +0530


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sunil:

thanks much. went to the recommended site. i don't think you need ti =
oversimplify it. it is oversimplified in itself though it could do with =
a bit of editing.

having seen it, read it i am persuaded that its propounders live in a =
world of their own and have a right to do so. i believe that without =
intellectual property rights there may have been some ideas. innovation, =
technolgy development and progres would have taken another path =
altogether and it can be shown that at least in terms of economics as we =
know it, it would be a sub-optimal model compared to what we have known. =
i do not wish to debate it on this forum for a variety of reasons and =
would think while the debate has a place on this forum, it may not be =
the right place for allocating majority of its time to free software =
etc.

you are an infectious speaker and will always sway people your way. that =
will not persuade me to go along with the substance of it though.

thanks much
________________________________
satish jha
cmd, james martin & co
www.jmcin.com
president, digital partners india
n-103, panchsheel park,
new delhi - 110 017
v: 649 9384/5; 649 4384/5
f:  649 4380
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  From: sunil=20
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  Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [bytesforall_readers] Microsoft to share Windows code =
withIndia


  Dear Satish,

  Free Software is not Open Source Software. Access to code is not the =
main
  issue. Free License implies Ownership and Control. It is not the =
recipe of
  coke but the ownership of coke.

  Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... here is an
  oversimplification so that you can understand..
  ------------------------------------------------------
  Before the concept of Private Property:
    No Economic Divide
  After the concept of Private Property:
    Land Owners
    Landless
    Economic Divide
  ------------------------------------------------------
  Before the concept of Intellectual Property:-
    No Digital Divide
  After the concept of Intellectual Property:
    Those with Knowledge
    Those without Knowledge
    Digital Divide
  ------------------------------------------------------

  You will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water, =
phrases,
  gestures, ideas, products etc.

  General Public License transfers ownership of digital assets to the =
poor.
  To use a Marxist phrase - the means of production in the knowledge =
economy
  will be transfered to the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any
  digital divide intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention =
all
  other ICT is merely technology band-aid.=20

  Please see my IIM-B presentation for more details:
  http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view

  Thanks,

  Sunil
  Thanks,

  Sunil

  =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
  Sunil Abraham [MAHITI]
  314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur
  Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA
  Ph/Fax: +91 80 5352003. Pager: 9624 279519
  sunil@mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sunil:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks much. went to the recommended =
site. i don't=20
think you need ti oversimplify it. it is oversimplified in itself though =
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could do with a bit of editing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>having seen it, read it i am persuaded =
that its=20
propounders live in a world of their own and have a right to do so. i =
believe=20
that without intellectual property rights there may have been some =
ideas.=20
innovation, technolgy development and progres would have taken another =
path=20
altogether and it can be shown that at least in terms of economics as we =
know=20
it, it would be a sub-optimal model compared to what we have known. i do =
not=20
wish to debate it on this forum for a variety of reasons and would think =
while=20
the debate has a place on this forum, it may not be the right place for=20
allocating majority of its time to free software etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you are an infectious speaker and will =
always sway=20
people your way. that will not persuade me to&nbsp;go along with the =
substance=20
of it though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks much</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>________________________________<BR>satish jha<BR>cmd, james martin =
&amp;=20
co<BR><A href=3D"http://www.jmcin.com">www.jmcin.com</A><BR>president, =
digital=20
partners india<BR>n-103, panchsheel park,<BR>new delhi - 110 017<BR>v: =
649=20
9384/5; 649 4384/5<BR>f:&nbsp; 649 4380<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:linux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net"=20
  =
title=3Dlinux-india-general@lists.sourceforge.net>linux-india-general@lis=
ts.sourceforge.net</A>=20
  ; <A href=3D"mailto:fsf-friends@gnu.org.in"=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 16, 2002 =
5:21=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[bytesforall_readers]=20
  Microsoft to share Windows code withIndia</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Dear Satish,<BR><BR>Free Software is not Open =
Source=20
  Software. Access to code is not the main<BR>issue. Free License =
implies=20
  Ownership and Control. It is not the recipe of<BR>coke but the =
ownership of=20
  coke.<BR><BR>Copyrighting is the root cause of the digital divide... =
here is=20
  an<BR>oversimplification so that you can=20
  =
understand..<BR>------------------------------------------------------<BR=
>Before=20
  the concept of Private Property:<BR>&nbsp; No Economic Divide<BR>After =
the=20
  concept of Private Property:<BR>&nbsp; Land Owners<BR>&nbsp;=20
  Landless<BR>&nbsp; Economic=20
  =
Divide<BR>------------------------------------------------------<BR>Befor=
e the=20
  concept of Intellectual Property:-<BR>&nbsp; No Digital =
Divide<BR>After the=20
  concept of Intellectual Property:<BR>&nbsp; Those with =
Knowledge<BR>&nbsp;=20
  Those without Knowledge<BR>&nbsp; Digital=20
  =
Divide<BR>------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Y=
ou=20
  will notice this trend in all forms of privatization:- water,=20
  phrases,<BR>gestures, ideas, products etc.<BR><BR>General Public =
License=20
  transfers ownership of digital assets to the poor.<BR>To use a Marxist =
phrase=20
  - the means of production in the knowledge economy<BR>will be =
transfered to=20
  the poor. This is a 'critical' component of any<BR>digital divide=20
  intervention.Without this type of systemic intervention all<BR>other =
ICT is=20
  merely technology band-aid. <BR><BR>Please see my IIM-B presentation =
for more=20
  details:<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view">http://w=
ww.mahiti.org/events/Event.2002-12-16.3025/view</A><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR=
>Sunil<BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>Sunil=20
  Abraham [MAHITI]<BR>314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur<BR>Bangalore - 560 071 =
Karnataka,=20
  INDIA<BR>Ph/Fax: +91 80 5352003. Pager: 9624 =
279519<BR>sunil@mahiti.org <A=20
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